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		<title>By: Hackisode 8: Al&#039;s Premedication Rant - DentalPodcast.org</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hackisode 8: Al&#039;s Premedication Rant - DentalPodcast.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2016 05:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anni</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 16:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi there,

Thanks for an excellent post. Same thoughts and problems in Finland.

I&#039;m interested in the legal aspect - how stressful is it to think of it? In the US, it seems to be much more disturbing than in Europe. I mean, there are moments when I&#039;m not sure what to do and I end up thinking &quot;hmmm, if I end up in jail, I guess that must be a cosy place&quot;. Not very afraid of it!

We had a bad incident in HUSLAB (main blood sampling laboratory in Helsinki) in March this year. A lab assistant normally working somewhere else had come in for a day and was meant to take blood samples in one of the lab rooms. She knew how to do it and worked all morning without problems. She ran out of needles by midday and after searching for new ones, found a box where the previous worker had put used &quot;safety&quot; needles the previous day. She thought they were new and unused, and she had never seen a safety needle before. Only a few hours later she found another box where there were actual unused safety needles. At that moment she realized what the unused ones really look like. She panicked. She got home and called the boss, telling what had happened. She had taken about 20 blood samples using the contaminated needles.

What would&#039;ve happened in the US after this?

In Helsinki, they instantly reacted on the phone call of the worker, investigated the whole case thoroughly, made the report public yesterday and by new safety standards, prevented the same thing from happening again. But no-one ended up in jail. No worker had to pay for anyone. It was _just_ a bad mistake, and many separate factors led to the outcome. 

Somehow I really like that - it&#039;s not always someones fault only. Things just happen and we STILL can learn from them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>Thanks for an excellent post. Same thoughts and problems in Finland.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in the legal aspect &#8211; how stressful is it to think of it? In the US, it seems to be much more disturbing than in Europe. I mean, there are moments when I&#8217;m not sure what to do and I end up thinking &#8220;hmmm, if I end up in jail, I guess that must be a cosy place&#8221;. Not very afraid of it!</p>
<p>We had a bad incident in HUSLAB (main blood sampling laboratory in Helsinki) in March this year. A lab assistant normally working somewhere else had come in for a day and was meant to take blood samples in one of the lab rooms. She knew how to do it and worked all morning without problems. She ran out of needles by midday and after searching for new ones, found a box where the previous worker had put used &#8220;safety&#8221; needles the previous day. She thought they were new and unused, and she had never seen a safety needle before. Only a few hours later she found another box where there were actual unused safety needles. At that moment she realized what the unused ones really look like. She panicked. She got home and called the boss, telling what had happened. She had taken about 20 blood samples using the contaminated needles.</p>
<p>What would&#8217;ve happened in the US after this?</p>
<p>In Helsinki, they instantly reacted on the phone call of the worker, investigated the whole case thoroughly, made the report public yesterday and by new safety standards, prevented the same thing from happening again. But no-one ended up in jail. No worker had to pay for anyone. It was _just_ a bad mistake, and many separate factors led to the outcome. </p>
<p>Somehow I really like that &#8211; it&#8217;s not always someones fault only. Things just happen and we STILL can learn from them.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2016 05:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alan, I realize your piece, which I just came across, is several years old, but it is just as relevant, unfortunately, as if it were written yesterday. This is from a patient&#039;s viewpoint: I&#039;ve been caught up in the stressful controversy about whether antibiotics are necessary prior to virtually all dental procedures, including cleanings, for the last several years, as I have severe hip arthritis that I&#039;m told would benefit from replacement surgery. (I actually cancelled my first scheduled hip op, two years ago, due to this controversy.) I need three dental cleanings per year due to frequent plaque buildup. In a &quot;bad year,&quot; I might also need a root canal and/or crown replacement. I also have a medical condition that has required a wide-spectrum antibiotic every few years. Added to the requisite dental cleanings, a &quot;bad year&quot; could see me taking wide-spectrum antibiotics up to six times! This is risky in the extreme, especially relative to the risk it poses for C. difficile colitis (which I had after a course of clindamycin for tear-duct surgery). I think your points are excellent; it&#039;s hard to imagine who wouldn&#039;t be massively confused by the &quot;recommendations&quot; and all of the tiers of &quot;evidence.&quot; I do disagree, though, with your statement that the risk of harm after premedicating with amoxicillin is slight, as MANY patients report having contracted C. difficile even from low doses of dental antibiotics. (I know this from my participation on an online patient forum.) 

Would you be willing to update your piece with a few comments on how you currently view this confusing situation? Hopefully, that would invite further comments from patients and practitioners. With this week&#039;s headline news about a new E. coli superbug that is resistant to all antibiotics, this topic couldn&#039;t be more important or timely.

Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, I realize your piece, which I just came across, is several years old, but it is just as relevant, unfortunately, as if it were written yesterday. This is from a patient&#8217;s viewpoint: I&#8217;ve been caught up in the stressful controversy about whether antibiotics are necessary prior to virtually all dental procedures, including cleanings, for the last several years, as I have severe hip arthritis that I&#8217;m told would benefit from replacement surgery. (I actually cancelled my first scheduled hip op, two years ago, due to this controversy.) I need three dental cleanings per year due to frequent plaque buildup. In a &#8220;bad year,&#8221; I might also need a root canal and/or crown replacement. I also have a medical condition that has required a wide-spectrum antibiotic every few years. Added to the requisite dental cleanings, a &#8220;bad year&#8221; could see me taking wide-spectrum antibiotics up to six times! This is risky in the extreme, especially relative to the risk it poses for C. difficile colitis (which I had after a course of clindamycin for tear-duct surgery). I think your points are excellent; it&#8217;s hard to imagine who wouldn&#8217;t be massively confused by the &#8220;recommendations&#8221; and all of the tiers of &#8220;evidence.&#8221; I do disagree, though, with your statement that the risk of harm after premedicating with amoxicillin is slight, as MANY patients report having contracted C. difficile even from low doses of dental antibiotics. (I know this from my participation on an online patient forum.) </p>
<p>Would you be willing to update your piece with a few comments on how you currently view this confusing situation? Hopefully, that would invite further comments from patients and practitioners. With this week&#8217;s headline news about a new E. coli superbug that is resistant to all antibiotics, this topic couldn&#8217;t be more important or timely.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria Schondelmayer</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2014 02:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been a patient of your dad&#039;s practice for many years.  I have one full and one partial knee replacement.  I have taken the pre-dental meds for 8 years and will continue to do so - at least for mow.  Thanks for the article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a patient of your dad&#8217;s practice for many years.  I have one full and one partial knee replacement.  I have taken the pre-dental meds for 8 years and will continue to do so &#8211; at least for mow.  Thanks for the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith Mccue</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 05:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is a patient allowed to chip in on this one? I&#039;ve been doing my own research on antibiotic prophylaxis because of  conflicting and confusing advice I am receiving. I had a hip replacement 6 years ago and was advised that I would need to premedicate for the rest of my life prior to a dental procedure.

I am 66 years old, female, in good health, and take no other medications. However, I do have periodontal issues that are being mostly stabilized by regular dental cleanings that have increased from every 3 months to  every 8 weeks. Each time, I premedicate -- 2 grams Amoxicillin one hour before. I am what I think dentists call a &quot;compliant&quot; patient. Very compliant. 

I trust and respect my dental hygienist and my dentist who have worked together with me over 20 years. My personal dental hygiene practices verge on the obsessive, but in the end, despite all our best efforts, it looks like bad genes might well win out. They usually do -- which brings me back to antibiotic prophylaxis. 

After reading ADA recommendations, revised  recommendations, other dental and medical recommendations, not to mention various &quot;hedging my bets&quot; and &quot;covering my ass&quot; recommendations, I have decided to no longer premedicate -- starting  with my root canal tomorrow. I think my regular dentist (who won&#039;t be doing the root canal) will be just fine with my decision. The problem will be to convince my conscientious, meticulous hygienist.  

Great blog. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is a patient allowed to chip in on this one? I&#8217;ve been doing my own research on antibiotic prophylaxis because of  conflicting and confusing advice I am receiving. I had a hip replacement 6 years ago and was advised that I would need to premedicate for the rest of my life prior to a dental procedure.</p>
<p>I am 66 years old, female, in good health, and take no other medications. However, I do have periodontal issues that are being mostly stabilized by regular dental cleanings that have increased from every 3 months to  every 8 weeks. Each time, I premedicate &#8212; 2 grams Amoxicillin one hour before. I am what I think dentists call a &#8220;compliant&#8221; patient. Very compliant. </p>
<p>I trust and respect my dental hygienist and my dentist who have worked together with me over 20 years. My personal dental hygiene practices verge on the obsessive, but in the end, despite all our best efforts, it looks like bad genes might well win out. They usually do &#8212; which brings me back to antibiotic prophylaxis. </p>
<p>After reading ADA recommendations, revised  recommendations, other dental and medical recommendations, not to mention various &#8220;hedging my bets&#8221; and &#8220;covering my ass&#8221; recommendations, I have decided to no longer premedicate &#8212; starting  with my root canal tomorrow. I think my regular dentist (who won&#8217;t be doing the root canal) will be just fine with my decision. The problem will be to convince my conscientious, meticulous hygienist.  </p>
<p>Great blog. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rebecca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2014 21:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with sherm on this one, and i feel the same way about heart murmurs as i do joint replacements; if i&#039;m doing full mouth srp&#039;s or an extraction in a very dirty mouth, the pt def gets antibiotics.  i&#039;ve seen bacterial endocarditis after ext&#039;s in a patient with a filthy mouth and an undiagnosed heart murmur.  the aha and ada can change guidelines all they want, but i&#039;m still going to go with my gut.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with sherm on this one, and i feel the same way about heart murmurs as i do joint replacements; if i&#8217;m doing full mouth srp&#8217;s or an extraction in a very dirty mouth, the pt def gets antibiotics.  i&#8217;ve seen bacterial endocarditis after ext&#8217;s in a patient with a filthy mouth and an undiagnosed heart murmur.  the aha and ada can change guidelines all they want, but i&#8217;m still going to go with my gut.</p>
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		<title>By: sedation dentistry tampa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sedation dentistry tampa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jul 2013 10:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am always proud to say I am a Dentist…. After reading such an intelligent piece like this. Well done!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am always proud to say I am a Dentist…. After reading such an intelligent piece like this. Well done!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Poirier DDS</title>
		<link>http://thebloggingdentist.com/?p=211#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Poirier DDS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Apr 2013 15:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article and as always, Alan, you have an extremely credible perspective...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and as always, Alan, you have an extremely credible perspective&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sherm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sherm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 23:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spot on Doc!

I recently attended a Grand Rounds session at the big ortho hospital here, and they were all about prophylaxis in all JR patients, for life!  And they&#039;re what I would consider a fairly big ortho group here.  Interesting contradiction.

Most of my patients are migrants Hispanics, and rarely show up for elective dental work.  Thus, I end up giving them antibiotics immediately following their OS anyway.  The ones that do have JR are sickly looking anyway, and meet, &quot;my,&quot; inclusion criteria for prophylaxis.

I&#039;m going to share this on my page, Alan!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on Doc!</p>
<p>I recently attended a Grand Rounds session at the big ortho hospital here, and they were all about prophylaxis in all JR patients, for life!  And they&#8217;re what I would consider a fairly big ortho group here.  Interesting contradiction.</p>
<p>Most of my patients are migrants Hispanics, and rarely show up for elective dental work.  Thus, I end up giving them antibiotics immediately following their OS anyway.  The ones that do have JR are sickly looking anyway, and meet, &#8220;my,&#8221; inclusion criteria for prophylaxis.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to share this on my page, Alan!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 18:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Check out this article in the local rag.   Not really covering antibiotic prophylaxis but it may imply a direct link from tooth to artificial knee

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/192404901.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out this article in the local rag.   Not really covering antibiotic prophylaxis but it may imply a direct link from tooth to artificial knee</p>
<p><a href="http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/192404901.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/192404901.html</a></p>
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